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Posted on Jun 12, 2006 at 05:00 AM

First and foremost I'd like to thank everyone for your comments and ideas that were posted to my previous blogs.... and now I've got a real dozzie for you.. I recently got a phone call from my son who is in the Airforce(in Iraq).... and he posed this question to me... he said "daddy if it's against god's law to kill someone...(The six commandment).. does that also include killing some one in time of war.. or is that o.k"... now man has been going to war since we've been here.. and even the Lord himself has sanctioned some of the battles that man has been involved with!... so does the 6th commandment only apply to civilized nations and civilized people that reside there... or does the 6th commandment mean that tho' shall not kill ... PERIOD!... we all know that the laws of God are absolute... but are there exclusions to his laws... and if there are, who has the last word to envoke these exclusions... I would just like to hear your point of views on this... oh.. and btw.. I told him.. if someone is trying to kill you... you kill them first and then we'll let the Lord sort it out!!!!!

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Posted on Jun 30, 2015 at 10:57 PM

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First and foremost I'd like to thank everyone for your comments and ideas that were posted to my previous blogs.... and now I've got a real dozzie for you.. I recently got a phone call from my son who is in the Airforce(in Iraq).... and he posed this question to me... he said "daddy if it's against god's law to kill someone...(The six commandment).. does that also include killing some one in time of war.. or is that o.k"... now man has been going to war since we've been here.. and even the Lord himself has sanctioned some of the battles that man has been involved with!... so does the 6th commandment only apply to civilized nations and civilized people that reside there... or does the 6th commandment mean that tho' shall not kill ... PERIOD!... we all know that the laws of God are absolute... but are there exclusions to his laws... and if there are, who has the last word to envoke these exclusions... I would just like to hear your point of views on this... oh.. and btw.. I told him.. if someone is trying to kill you... you kill them first and then we'll let the Lord sort it out!!!!!


My bible explains to me that if we break the least one of the commandments we have broken the worst of the commandments. Therefore one is not better or worse then the next. If you've broken one, you've broken them all. So, to me its impossible to keep the ten commandments. I am guilty of lust. I am guilty of causing others to commit adultry so I am guilty myself. I am guilty of fornication. I have broken almost all of them but I never killed and I never coveted my neighbors wife, probably because none of them were attractive to me. I have not worshiped another God. I have not bared false wittness.  I ask for forgivness everyday, 

To take another life that is not yours to take is surely wrong. But in time of war I believe it is okay. It is those that sent your son into battle that will pay the price for it so long as he does not kill innocent people. Enemy soldiers are not innocent people. They were sent there by their leaders to kill him. Did your son join or was he drafted and made to fight? I believe it really depends on his heart. If he is questioning his spiritual morals about killing during war time, God has his back. Eventhough he may have to kill, he is still putting God first! He needs to pray about it. Its a tough situation. However, the alternative is not a good one either. That is, to let his enemy kill him. Its a life or death situation. It is better to give your life then to take a life. However, in those circumstances I believe it is forgivable!

it might be better to seek the advice of a spiritual advisor and not from someone on a dating site!

 

Just my thoughts... Perhaps I am wrong.... 


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Posted on Jun 29, 2015 at 05:13 PM

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First and foremost I'd like to thank everyone for your comments and ideas that were posted to my previous blogs.... and now I've got a real dozzie for you.. I recently got a phone call from my son who is in the Airforce(in Iraq).... and he posed this question to me... he said "daddy if it's against god's law to kill someone...(The six commandment).. does that also include killing some one in time of war.. or is that o.k"... now man has been going to war since we've been here.. and even the Lord himself has sanctioned some of the battles that man has been involved with!... so does the 6th commandment only apply to civilized nations and civilized people that reside there... or does the 6th commandment mean that tho' shall not kill ... PERIOD!... we all know that the laws of God are absolute... but are there exclusions to his laws... and if there are, who has the last word to envoke these exclusions... I would just like to hear your point of views on this... oh.. and btw.. I told him.. if someone is trying to kill you... you kill them first and then we'll let the Lord sort it out!!!!!


Often times we see "Thou Shall Not Kill" as the 6th Commandment, but the correct translation of that Commandment really should always be "Thou Shall Not Murder." God gives us the right to kill, if the taking of that particular life has been justified. But what we don't have is - the right to murder. An example of a justified killing would be, killing someone in self-defense. Like if an intruder broke into our home, we do have the right to take his life, in order to protect our own lives and the lives of our loved ones. So that's an example of a justified killing.

 

The words "kill" and "murder" should never be confused with each other, because they are not the same. Which is why we always say "I killed a mosquito," and we never say "I murdered a mosquito."


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Posted on Sep 12, 2006 at 02:14 AM

Well everyone I am sooo glad to let you all know that I had a visit from my son who was in Iraq.... yes he's home and I thank GOD!!!.... I know that I said I would post the letter that I sent to him but I never did... I will now post that letter that I sent to him... " My Dear Son I know that you are feeling troubled right down to your soul, that the possibility of having to kill some one will commit or condemn your soul to eternal suffering... and while this possibility does exist please know that there is no one on this earth that will be your judge... so I say this to you and please try to understand what it is that I am saying....... If your life is being threaten... and it's no way out... as a man and a soldier you have to stand up for your life and your country and yes you will have to kill! ...Now that's not to say that you will not be judged later for the life that you took... But I say again it will not but anyone of this world... It will be a higher power and it is my belief that they will be of the most knowledgeable and wisest beings that exist... I truly feel that they will judge you by your heart and not your actions... for you are still just a mere young human male with a big heart... so I say to you now, do what you have to ... and please try to keep your heart and thoughts in the right place and act accordingly... and if you do, you need not worry about that judgement day...you'll be alright!.. take care, try to stay save and just try to come home.. Love Daddy

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Posted on Aug 06, 2006 at 02:29 AM

I'm not a religious person. I don't believe in "absolute good" or "absolute evil," either. Not even in the case of WW2. I think most people who think a clear line divides both is misinformed. All I know it this: everybody wants to live, everybody wants to be happy, and everybody wants the people they love to be happy. Which means if country-X goes around invading other countries in the name of some lofty ideal, then of course in the end what they will cause is more evil than good. That is the case of the USA. Every time the USA has intervened to control or stop something (terrorism, socialism, to benefit corporate interests, to keep slavery going, etc.) what it has caused in the end is more and more revolts. The net result of the war against terrorism is more and more "terrorists." The kid who lost his family today is unlikely to grow up loving those who killed them; the man who saw his children dead will do anything ti hurt the people who caused it. That's all I know. I know if the USA ever tries to invade my country, I'd shoot for the head. I know your press would call me a terrorist, but I also know I'd be doing it 100% convinced that I am doing the right thing. And that is the tragedy of it all. There is no "total good" nor "total evil." But people want to believe there is, just because that way things make a little more sense. It's like believing in God vs. Satan: the adult version of the kiddie fables, to simplify the world and our own personal ethics.

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Posted on Aug 05, 2006 at 06:49 PM

Whenever you feel like it. :-P

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Posted on Aug 05, 2006 at 02:19 PM

do you have any kind of a plan yet...??? good place to start..... or are you asking for permission......???

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Posted on Aug 04, 2006 at 08:04 PM

According to the bible "thou shall not kill" so I would say never. But as a prior member of the US Army. It's kill or be killed. Doesn't make it OK

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Posted on Jun 20, 2006 at 09:42 AM

Thanks cuteguy that was very insightful. Thank you for what you did in the military for us to be free. And hopefully you'll post more!

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Posted on Jun 20, 2006 at 07:56 AM

Hey bro, I wanted to add. Keep in mind, we are guarded and protected by our Lord and savior Jesus Christ. If you want devine protection and intervention one has to pray and ask God to intervene for us and through your faith it will be granted. One inportant thing is that I learned this Sunday, God has a timing for everything. Like a farmer during the season who plants and sows, harvests etc. So when things happen not according to our time sequence, but in God's time sequence. As humans our falacy is that we expect to see and hear things immediately and at our time sequence-like a magician's magic trick, poof!- That doesn't happen with God. So patience is a virtue and God works in his own timing sequence. I will pray for your family and for you bro and just know also that if three or more of us pray together, God sends his i think 1,000 angels to incamp around us for devine protection. Don't qoute me on the exact number, I'm trying to remember the number but I believe it is that? That is why prayer is so important. To have faith, and to trust in the Lord. Also another thing, God protects us from those leaders and laws that are unjust and unrighteousness. For intance, if someone makes a law that discriminates against people of color, they will have to answer to the Lord. We are inclined to follow the laws of our leaders and country and also we are protected if we refrain from acting out to fulfill and unjust law or order/s. Hence if your son is told to shoot or conduct physical abuse against prescribed regulations, laws and General Orders, God will protect him from punishment and stuff. Keep in mind Paul and how he was persecuted for his beliefs in Christ to spread the Gospel. Sometimes we are called by Christ to suffer for the will of God. But no one of us will suffer so much as those before us, the saints (Paul, John the baptist etc.) So in these times, we have it easier and are not persecuted like they were. Just pray and God understands, he gave his son's life for us! Paul was jailed and beatened. John was beheaded. They are examples. We have it easy bro. Go bless you guys!

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Posted on Jun 20, 2006 at 04:00 AM

wow!... well I finally made it back home and the first thing I did was check out my blog... and all I can say is that you people are FABULOUS!.. I travel alot in my job so I don't get to check out things on a daily basis.. I have asked preachers, ministers, rabbi's and bishops about this same question that I posed here... and believe it or not you guys and girls... or should I say ladies and gents... have given me more insite than all that I have spoken to before about this... and for this I say "thank you"... I have to leave to go to Orlando on the 21st... but as soon as I return I will be posting the e-mail that I have sent to my son in reply to his questions... but before I leave ya'll I think I need to answer some of the questions that some of ya'll asked.... Kash.. you're a real sweetie and I feel I need to thank you for that second reply that you post'd... you took those words right outta my mouth..(what'a kisser you got!..lol).. but in answer to your questions...no.1 my son is just a aviation tech(fixes and repairs aircrafts and there engines)... and when he went in there was no war... he originally went in so that he could take advantage of their college program.. he went to basic training.. and that's all the KILL training that he received.. and just so that you know YES!! he is planning on getting out as soon as his time is up.. about another 2 1/2 years! which I know seems like still a long time away... but I just want him to get home soon and get home safe!.. to "CUTEGUY"... and believe me I feel real weird saying that!..LOL.. but hey it's your name... I'd like to just say that your comments were very profound and enlighting.. on the other hand... G~U~P.. I'm normally by your side and I for the most part agree with most of your replies in all the other blogs that I read... but this time~!... hey you did clean it up and for that I won't reply to your first statement.. but I will say thank you for your blessings..and to all of you I'd like to say much love and peace... thank you...very much..

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Posted on Jun 19, 2006 at 06:27 PM

I'm not overly religious- but I do like to live in the ways of Jesus Christ - and I ask myself - would Jesus take up the sword and fight? I don't think so - so I guess I believe that thou shalt not kill. Doesn't mean that he wouldn't hurt someone to defend himself though . . . . .

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Posted on Jun 19, 2006 at 05:00 PM

Hey what's up? I'm a Christian and also serve in the U.S.Army. I thought this comment might help you solve your dilemma. It is not okay to per se kill someone as it says in the ten commandments. But look further my friend. The law of Moses IS DEAD AND THE NEW Testament was given so that Gentiles(non-Hebrews/Jews) may also inherent the kingdom of Heaven. It is my belief that the Word of God protects anyone who-especially a Christian-kills in wartime serving the for his country. Of course the person who kills must justify his killing by following the written LAW OF Warfare, Geneva Conventions and established Uniform Code of Military Justice etc. God allows for this to be justified if we follow the prescribed laws of our leaders and our country and use our best judgement in each specific incidence. For instance, one cannot just randomly shoot away and kill innocent civilians who just happened to be in the way knowingly. There are specific guidelines that justify the use of force and rules of engagement used in warfare just as there are for the use of personal firearms for self defense in each state here. Your best bet is to research these guidelines, policies, laws and directives that govern the conduct of armed forces members in specific cases. For what governs the use of force here, doesn't apply in Afghanistan or Iraq. Situations differ. Most importantly, regardless, sin is a sin is a sin, is a sin. When in doubt pray, read your Bible for the best advice, and if you are doing the right thing following your orders and laws governing your actions be it military or civilian, when in doubt, One must ask God for forgiveness in his heart if he thinks he sinned anyways, and first and foremost, not to forget to ask God for guidence in such dilemmas if one's not sure of the situation/ramifications? God will forgive you! Trust in him! However knowing that, doesn't give anyone the greenlight to kill by breaking the laws and rules governing behavior in peace or wartime? Any loss of life, is painful to God and to anyone who values life and who loves like God loves us. Trust me my friend, if your family member finds himself in Iraq having to pull the trigger to kill an insurgent who is detonating an IED for instance, you can be assured he did the right thing and in fact gave God credence in his word for doing so. As it is is written, for a man to sacrafice himself for his brother is the greates love of all (Christ dying for us on the cross) is the greatest testament to this fact! Trust me, your son is forgiven and God knows his heart and what he had to do was justified. When I was in Iraq, I shot and killed some insurgents, did I feel liked I sinned? No, and God's word reassures me I did the right thing. Read the Bible brother! God bless!

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Posted on Jun 18, 2006 at 11:00 AM

I see my comment did not make it through yesterday. My point was to gracie that even learned scholars to not agree on the Bible's interpretation. And the question was when is it ok to kill if it's against god's will. It is a direct question that can only be answered by referring to the bible. How can biblical wars be compared to modern day wars? They can't, only the premise by which they started can. How can this help a soldier in the dessert who is commanded to follow orders? Does it matter all the circumstances to him of wars that happened in biblical times? NO. He can only be accountable for his actions. He must come to terms and try to learn his role as the bible refers to it. The responsibility of the death lies with the leader who chose to go to war. That I learned in bible study. That could be subjective since the person teaching the study was a mortal and not devine. But nevertheless everyone has an opinion, no one owns the truth alone. I want to hear every ones opinions regardless. And hopefully some of us can help mcguyerguy answer his son's questions.

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Posted on Jun 17, 2006 at 11:22 AM

Language is constantly changing. Whoever would have thought gay would mostly be identified with being lesbian/homosexual instead of being happy and joyful. You will have to an extensive word study on the origins of the words, kill, murder, destroy, etc to get at the original intent of the word. For me, thou shall not kill as mentioned in the Bible means not to commit premeditated murder. War is hell and a bloody mess. There will always be casualties of war. War should always be a last resort. All steps at diplomacy should be worked out first. Sidebar, we tend to get loose and free with the word, hypocrite and hypocrisy. As denoted in The New International Webster's Concise Dictionary of the English Language, hypocrite, "one who pretends to have virtues, feelings, qualities, etc., that he does not possess." Those Christians and otherwise would believe that casualties in war is permissible and sanctioned by God might be in err in regards to their interpretation of Scripture but not hypocritical because they were forthright in what they believes the text means. Another sidebar, what irks me about some people who won't attend a church service because there are too many hypocrites in the church. Apparently, these people don't believe one person can make a difference and be a positive influence. If there are hypocrites in the church, then you be the one who is not and be willing to ignite change.

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Posted on Jun 17, 2006 at 09:34 AM

Well Gracie the question was all about killing and is it against God's laws. Even learned scholors do not agree on their own interpretations of the bible. And we are entitled to our own versions of it. No mortal can grasp it's full meaning, not even you dear gracie. I am interested in what other people think. We can start bible study in another thread.

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Posted on Jun 17, 2006 at 07:44 AM

graceunderpressure - how can u say that God has nothing to do with the war in Iraq and then say that before people should comment they need to know what transpired in the Bible and with the situation they are speaking of? God has something to do with everything the only difference is that we as humans have the choice to listen to Him or not. He has everything to do with it, but it's the human races fault that we are involved in such terrible things. Who do you think runs this earth?

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Posted on Jun 16, 2006 at 07:39 PM

WHEN THEY TRY TO KILL YOU OR YOURS FIRST OF COURSE!!!

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Posted on Jun 16, 2006 at 11:31 AM

Hi Mcguyverguy! I only got halfway through your post and something really caught my attention. I understand your son is in Iraq at the moment. Now the burning question to me is why did he join and knowingly learn to kill and then question it in an actual war situaton? It is an oxymoron. Aside from that, there were many wars in the bible. Not to mention he must follow orders or stand to jeopordize himmself and others. Jesus talks about giving to his leaders what is theirs. i.e. follow laws, orders, ect. Should his conscience be bothering him (as I'm sure it must by the gravity of the question) he should not waver while he is there, and pray for clarity and perseverence. And if he can't go on in peace, should GET OUT OF THE MILITARY after he gets back. That would be a horrible burden to carry that guilt for him. One point we didn't cover is the death penalty. I think mass murderers should be put to death. Also repeat child sex offenders. That may seem harsh, but these guys (and women) walk around in our communities everyday, many not registering with their local police depts. preying on the vulnerable. We should have much stricter enforcements in place for these offenders. I say they all wear the ankle bracelets PERIOD. If caught by schools or known places where children congregate, that's an automatic offence to their parole. Castration I understand does not cure their pervertedness, since it's a power manipulation game along with the physical abuse, but it wouldn't be a bad start.

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Posted on Jun 16, 2006 at 07:21 AM

dublin2000, religion isn't hypocritical, it's the people who practice it as if they have the right to change what God said and let me remind those who are of the Christian faith, there is an old and new testiment, he gave us a new one so we don't go around with the idea of an eye for an eye in every situation we come across, we all will be judged and none of us will be in the black robe!!! or should i say white lol

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